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Cessna 172 Skyhawk flight model mod

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Note from the author: Please upvote https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/workaround-for-missing-propeller-drag-please/368300

This is no livery, this is a flight model mod. The idea is to make the flight behavior more realistic. The most important detail is a realistic maximum lift-drag ratio (L/D)max. This one change makes many other changes necessary. The second detail is I use gear and flaps drag to have a work around for missing propeller drag and ground effect. Now you can flare your airplane before touch-down.
See http://www.andreadrian.de/FS_2020_sailplanes/ for more of my work for MSFS 2020:
Gliders: SG-38, Aircreations 582SL
Sailplanes: DG-808S, Ka 6E, ASK23
Trainer: Tiger Moth
Seaplane: Grumman Goose G21A
Warbirds: Fokker Dr1, North American P-51D

Flight model modification version 1.14.5.0, date 2021-03-12:

I included "Uwa's lighting mods" from https://uwajimaya.github.io/FS2020/
Uwajimaya, I credit your work!
Pack version 1.13 (Feb 16, 2021)

The NASA book "Quest for Performance: The Evolution of Modern Aircraft" tells about the C172 Skyhawk: "The zero-lift drag coefficient CD,0 of the Skyhawk is 0.0319 as compared with 0.0358 for the Cherokee, and the maximum lift-drag ratios (L/D)max for the two aircraft are 11.6 and 10.0, respectively."

This flight level mod sets (L/D)max to 80% of the real life value. This is part of the "missing propeller drag" workaround. For (L/D)max see https://code7700.com/aero_l_over_d_max.htm

Using the parameters drag_coef_zero_lift, htail_incidence, thrust_scalar and fuel_flow_scalar the maximum airspeed, (L/D)max and fuel consumption can be set to one operating point OP. I set the OP to no flaps, retracted landing gear, full thrust, level flight, no elevator input and altitude 10000 ft.

I use the MSFS 2020 documentation from https://docs.flightsimulator.com/html/Samples_And_Tutorials/Defining_A_Flight_Model.htm Citations are in "". Asobo has expanded the documentation, but sadly the documentation is still far away from complete. Asobo please go on!

To all critics of my work: First, I am an armchair pilot. If you only accept flight model mods from real life 4 stars pilots, don't use it. Second, if you think my mod is atrocious, don't use it. To everybody else: The mod is the best I can do with my knowledge of MSFS 2020. Stay happy and healthy!

lift_coef_flaps = 0.33790
Undo "Flight dynamics bug" workaround.

wing_incidence = 1.5 ; Wing incidence (DEGREES)
htail_incidence = 1.8 ; 1 ; Horizontal tail incidence (DEGREES)
"You'll want to leave the horizontal tail Incidence at zero for the moment, this value will be used to set the default trim of the aircraft."
Trimmed for OP with no elevator input.

elevator_trim_neutral = 0 ; 1 ; Elevator trim max angle (absolute value) (DEGREES), for indicators only (no influence on flight model)
I want to have the green area in the middle of VSI.

drag_coef_zero_lift = 0.0520 ; 0.03270
"this value is usually of around 0.02 to 0.025 for an aircraft with a glide ratio above 15, 0.03 to 0.04 for aircraft with glide ratios of about 10, and up to 0.1 for some slow bush planes with very low glide ratios."
I use Aircraft Editor, Debug, Sim Polar VhVs to set (L/D)max (glide ratio) to a realistic value "within the limitations of MSFS 2020". The chosen value is 80% of real life (L/D)max because I use drag_coef_zero_lift as "missing propeller drag" workaround.

drag_coef_flaps = 0.1 ; 0.04700
I use drag_coef_flaps as "missing propeller drag" workaround, too.

[PROPELLER]
thrust_scalar = 1.7 ; 1.15 ; Propeller thrust scalar
Change in drag_coef_zero_lift needs change in thrust_scalar for the same cruise_speed.

ui_autonomy = 5 ; max duration the aircraft can fly between take-off and landing in (Hrs)
fuel_flow_scalar = 0.70 ; 0.88 ; Fuel flow scalar
Change in thrust_scalar needs change in fuel_flow_scalar for the same ui_autonomy. I use 80% LVR on ground to set fuel_flow_scalar.

toe_brakes_scale = 1 ; 0.66 ; Brake scalar
More thrust_scalar needs more toe_brakes_scale to hold airplane still on ground at thrust tests.

pitch_stability = 0.04 ; 0.1
roll_stability = 0.04 ; 0.1
yaw_stability = 0.04 ; 0.1
"You need to enter a value that is higher than zero for backwards compatibility with the legacy flight model, and you can enter 0.01 - for example - if you want only the minimum friction. If the plane has more inertia, you can enter higher values."

flaps-position.0 = 0, -1, 0
flaps-position.1 = 10, -1, 1 ; 10, -1, 0.5
flaps-position.2 = 20, -1, 1 ; 20, -1, 0.75
flaps-position.3 = 30, -1, 1
flaps-position drag depends on flaps angle. Therefore a drag multiplier of 1 is good enough.

"AIRCRAFT.UI_MODEL": "Cessna 172 Skyhawk (G1000)",
[FLTSIM.0]
title = "Cessna Skyhawk G1000 Asobo" ; Variation name
Use original aircraft selector name and title again for bush trips and other tasks that need specific airplanes.

Summary: "If Asobo only knew what Asobo knows". Some Asobo engineers write documentation and tell everybody what to do and why. Other Asobo engineers write cfg files. As you can see above, these two groups don't talk to each other. Specially not about the stability parameters. The C172 is one of the best Asobo models. I found little to change!
Nowhere Asobo writes about the importance of (L/D)max (glide ratio) and how to set a proper (L/D)max. For me is a bad (L/D)max value the single most important reason for poor quality of (Asobo) flight models. Let's see what Asobo will do in the next software release!

Note from the author: Please upvote https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/workaround-for-missing-propeller-drag-please/368300

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Compatible to MSFS version 1.14.5.0. Include Uwa's lighting mods when available.

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I play for control, how do I decrease the strength of the elevator?
The elevator moves very quickly and the aircraft seems to be jumping

3 years ago

vitinruasrv

works fine
(tried in G1000 variant)! good job!

3 years ago

fedar

Comments

I downloaded the file and put it in my community folder but it doesn't show up in the sim. Any solutions?

2 years ago

isac2001

are there any upcoming changes scince asobo have updated the flight model in Sim Update 4? thanks

2 years ago

Same question re SU5, and now SU6. No updates to the mod or responses to messages since March 2021 (7 months at time of writing) so I wonder if the author has moved on?

2 years ago

bigblip

andrewjamez

Is this still working after this update? 1.16.2.0

3 years ago

That's a good question.

@paulfalke is this mod compatible with the latest fs version?

3 years ago

raghiante

DavidEGTE

Hi. Does someone checked performance on C172 classic? (not glass). I more or less satisfied about default .....but stab trim is inadequate for my opinion and I expect to fix it

3 years ago

I have no C172 classic. And I have heard that you can not change the cfg files of the premium/deluxe airplanes. Last I have heard that some crackers have broken the cipher - but this is nothing for me.

3 years ago

PaulFalke

andrju

hello I am using addons linker; and I cannot install this mod. Should this mod be replaced in ' one store' in the original folder of the Cessna 172 thank you

3 years ago

I don't know "addons linker". My files (the contents of the zip file, not the zip file itself) belong in the community folder.

3 years ago

PaulFalke

christian67

So, I have a issue, I was doing a week ago or so a mission bush trip aka https://flightsim.to/file/4227/uk-south-coast-bush-trip
I've download and used your mod and it seems not to be finding the aircraft as its always sending me to content manager, but if I remove the MOD everything is back to normal.
Can this be fixed?

PS: previous mod I didn't have a issue

3 years ago

The bush trip shall work now. Please test and report. And please tell me the old working version number that I can doublecheck. Thanks!

3 years ago

PaulFalke

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DavidEGTE

Is this needed anymore after the new MSFS2020 update?

3 years ago

You decide. The main differences are "flight dynamics bug" workaround, realistic (L/D)max and "missing propeller drag" workaround. You can fly the Asobo C172. For contrast: you can not fly the Asobo TBM930. By the way: The "flight dynamics bug" was introduced with version 1.13.16.0. This version introduced other changes, like different CD,0 to (L/D)max function. I have to check version 1.13.17.0 to see if Asobo did roll back all changes or only the most noticeable.

3 years ago

PaulFalke

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DavidEGTE

I play for control, how do I decrease the strength of the elevator?
The elevator moves very quickly and the aircraft seems to be jumping

3 years ago

Search "sensitivity settings" at http://www.andreadrian.de/FS_2020_sailplanes/ Set "LS Y" Sensitivity+ and Sensitivity- to -50% or -55%. If you now move elevator the elevator effect starts slow, but at full elevator input you still have full elevator effect. That the aircraft is jumpy is in part a result of my flight model mod. I check what I can do to make it less jumpy but still agile.

3 years ago

PaulFalke

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vitinruasrv

How should we install this?

3 years ago

Just "drag&drop" install in Community folder. Install instruction is on http://www.andreadrian.de/FS_2020_sailplanes/

3 years ago

PaulFalke

Dennis98BE

Does this work with C172 Classic version? Can you make another version to work with that classic "none glass cockpit" model? That model has +15 better FPS than G1000 version so i fly it the most.

3 years ago

I only have the "basic" version of MSFS 2020 without C172 "steam gauges".

3 years ago

PaulFalke

Corsten

works fine
(tried in G1000 variant)! good job!

3 years ago

fedar

Is this a generic mod for all Cessna Skyhawks? Seems to work...

3 years ago

Well, I am no expert in C172 variants. I used the Asobo C172 that is in the "cheap" MSFS 2020 version, that is the G1000 glass cockpit.

3 years ago

PaulFalke

spoolenturbo

So interesting..but which 172 is this for? the G1000?

3 years ago

I used the Asobo C172 that is in the "cheap" MSFS 2020 version, that is the G1000 glass cockpit.

3 years ago

PaulFalke

Sixtymikegrr


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